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Post by Posse on Jul 16, 2012 12:32:38 GMT -5
I understand the idea behind the concrete blocks on the pool path to keep vehicles from using it, but I see there are now blocks in front of the grave street tunnel. Wouldn't vehicles be allowed to go down through to launch boats and kayaks? Also unless other blocks were moved, wouldn't this prevent an ambulance from getting to people who could need help?
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Post by Guest on Jul 16, 2012 13:26:43 GMT -5
Very valid point about the barriers at the Grave Street tunnel. It would be a shame if someone got hurt on the path or had a medicl emergency and the fastest access to them was blocked. These barriers need to be rethought.
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Post by citizen on Jul 17, 2012 18:19:58 GMT -5
I like the barriers. I liked it more when the barriers blocked all vehicle traffic. Other than the boat launch, I see no reason for a vehicle to be on the 'pool path.' Was that pool path always a road intended for vehicles? Could the Grave St tunnel remain open to vehicles and the remaining portion be narrowed to be a pool path similar to the path around the park? I enjoyed the time period when the barriers kept all traffic out. I didn't have to worry about dodging a speeding car coming down off the hill from the pool side.
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Post by busman on Jul 17, 2012 19:58:42 GMT -5
the barriers will be back inplace after the carnival. vandals moved the barriers a few weeks ago. you need to live by the tunnel to understand the amount of traffic that goes down there. if it was fisherman, boaters or people just going down to park then walk the trail but thats not the case. i have had alot of people complain that the barriers are moved cause they have fear being run over or the undesirable people driving down there for one thing only. i will say i seen more people using the trails when no traffic was going down. i did like they way it was set up but again the undesirables had to move them. the upper tunnel does have a launch that boro maintains. that should be used anyway for boaters and tubing. if anyone has a better way to maintain the path i would be willing to hear. it just we dont want the drug traffic back. fyi i cant ever recall a fire call or bls call ever along the river and i hope there never is but if traffic were to continue then the odds are greatly increased.
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Post by Dice on Jul 18, 2012 5:52:49 GMT -5
I see no reason for vehicles to use the Grave St. tunnel, it should be pedestrians only. You could still access that part of the river by the bridge off 17 to fish, boat etc.
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Post by posse on Jul 18, 2012 11:06:13 GMT -5
I don't' think vehicles should be on the pool path but I don't consider the area immediately down through the tunnel to be pool path. I would say the barriers that are at the end of the pool path where the gate used to be and to the right as you go down through the tunnel should mostly keep the traffic to a minimum. Cars can still go down into that area, but with those barriers up, that is really the only good place to then turn around and leave, other than that pull off down the path to the right but it is usually very muddy. Maybe this was all thought of in placing them there but I envision a scenario where someone is hurt or injured in such a way that a slower response time would exacerbate their situation, possibly to the point they die, and then the town or whoever is responsible for that is sued. Just because nothing has happened down there previously doesn't mean it won't. Really the "drug element" only makes it more likely something will. The barriers certainly aren't keeping them from going down by foot. By the sound of it, they aren't even keeping them from down there by car if they are able to be moved. It would be all to easy for one of this crowd to OD while down there or for someone walking to be assaulted by them in some way. If older citizens use the path, they could potentially suffer a heart attack or stroke.
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Post by busman on Jul 18, 2012 21:42:59 GMT -5
the new barriers will be a lil different so they cant be moved. the reason the others are at the entrance for now is the weekend before the carnival there is a run that goes every year and it starts and stops at the park and they use the path for the run. its a safety factor for the runners that day that no one goes down tunnel and hits someone running. i agree the traffic slowed allot when the barriers were placed the way they were. if it was open you should come sit outback of my house and see the traffic that goes down and only stay a few min. then either leave out by the bridge or go down towards pool. not even saying about the burnouts in the tunnel by some at late hours, you would be amazed. the slower response? your talking maybe 200-300 ft. the barriers at the top can be moved in seconds if need be.im sure no one else wants the drug traffic running by their house all time like it has for years down here. it also made it safer for kids to be out back riding bikes and playing like the kids to on the hill or other places in town. there is lots of room at the ally side for people to park to walk down tunnel to fish or go tubing. the tunnel at stitch an time does have a nice boat landing and plenty of room to park for those tubing.
when the barriers are inplace a whole lot more people use it. the path was put in with grants intended for it to be path not a road. the tunnels were put in for only access to river to pump water, the boat landing at grave was abandoned, the one at the stitch was kept maintain by boro not fish and boat.
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Post by Rusty on Jul 22, 2012 8:50:56 GMT -5
Busman I believe that you know what you are talking about - keep up the good work. I walk down there often and feel safer if there isn't vehicular traffic - especially some slow moving pickup approaching on the path.
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